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Aera Lure · Jan 17, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

They may be ABLE to start new accounts, but Anet's rules say they are not allowed to. I may be able to steal your car and get away with it, however, I am not allowed to. The banning of an account is ALSO the banning of the individual(s) involved by Anet/NCSoft's rules.

Totally doesnt work that way, though. You could get up and running the same day again if you wanted to, even if they also IP banned you on top of a permanent ban. Mind you that is with a new account, as you point out. I do agree that goes against what conceptually a permanent ban actually is intended to be, but such is the reality.

Jake_Steel · Jan 17, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Part of growing up is learning that an adult leans more towards what he/she should do as opposed to doing simply what he/she can do,

X Ice Man X · Jan 17, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I could see them linking their Guild Wars 2 Account to their banned account, when a message pops up telling them that their new Guild Wars 2 Account has also been banned.

Phaern Majes · Jan 17, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

No, it can't be explained that way. "Members" refers to Guild Wars members only as this is the Guild Wars EULA you're reffering to.

Case closed.

Read it again. If you were banned from guild wars then that statement DOES apply to you as you would be considered a "Former Member" of guild wars. Therefore, you are eligible for ban in any game that NC runs on their servers.

Since this thread is about "Members" of Guild Wars who are banned from Guild Wars, the EULA does apply.

The question is going to be would ANet bother taking the time to compare all new GW2 accounts to all the banned GW ones. I seriously doubt it, and even if they did I'm sure all they would do is mark the accounts for close monitoring.

Pandora's box · Jan 17, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Not allowing banned GW1 people to play GW2? What a weird idea! I think there always should be a 2nd chance, in fact I find that if banned GW1 players buy a new copy of GW1 they should be allowed to play the game again. Banning an IP adres would probably not be legit anyway because than you would ban the whole family for the actions of 1 person.

Jake_Steel · Jan 17, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Not allowing banned GW1 people to play GW2? What a weird idea! I think there always should be a 2nd chance, in fact I find that if banned GW1 players buy a new copy of GW1 they should be allowed to play the game again. Banning an IP adres would probably not be legit anyway because than you would ban the whole family for the actions of 1 person.

Such is the way of the internet. Banning a person in this day and age is generally that means an IP ban. It's the offender's fault that little Bro Billy suffers as well, not the company doing the ban.

Age · Jan 17, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Those that are banned will be able to play in GW2 as their GW account is separate than that of GW2.It is what most about the eula referring to this one.

Shayne Hawke · Jan 18, 2008, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Since all it requires you to do is buy a new copy of the game and continue playing with a clean slate and playstyle, the only way that this would matter is that people lose whatever they put towards the HoM.

I'm assuming then that you're asking whether I would support people getting things in GW2 from a banned account in GW.

And my answer is no, because that could create an exploit in which once someone gets all they want out of GW passed into GW2 and they don't care about GW anymore, they could try whatever illegal activity they wanted to do in GW until they were banned, and then reestablish themselves in GW2 with all the rewards from GW intact.

Previous discussion on this issue, however, makes me think that if someone linked the accounts, passed rewards from GW to GW2, and then got banned in GW, they would also become banned in GW2, or would at least be put on some kind of warning. I would agree with this.

UnKn0wN415 · Jan 18, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Actually, its against EULA.

"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.

And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.)

If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2.

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You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern

true but with account only being banned its really not stopping anyone who have been banned to get another copy of GW...

unless they start banning people IP or Hardware Ban they it should solve there problem...highly doubt this will happen but its the only way I can think of...

vaxmor · Jan 18, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Let GW-1 banned people play in GW-2, but do *not* allowing linking of a GW-2 character to any GW-1 HoM on a GW-1 banned account.

Otherwise, a GW-2 character could potential benefit from a bannable GW-1 offence via the HoM.

Saelis Scarfang · Jan 18, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Part of growing up is learning that an adult leans more towards what he/she should do as opposed to doing simply what he/she can do,

I agree with this statement but many of the banned people were 'adults' and going by the recent 117 fiasco and the absolute plethora of excuses we saw, they didn't really learn or grow up from what happened.

I don't think they should be banned in GW2, but I don't think they should be allowed to reap the rewards of their HoM in GW1. Sorry, but hell no.

Lykan · Jan 18, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

I thought of that possibility also, my gut feel says no they wont as it will need an active account to link back in and check the achievements. I'm sure one of the checks will be that the GW2>GW1 database link will make is to check if the account is banned or not(see EULA quotes above).

Personally I don't have an issue with a banned player coming back for GW2, it's a whole new game and maybe they will have learned a lesson from it and be model citizens. However I would say the chances of someone buying GW2 who has been banned is a lot slimmer than one who has not.

There has to be a rectroactive account link in GW2 otherwise theres nothing stopping me from starting GW2 and making my character 'Shanaeri Rynale'

Roderick Bravehart · Jan 18, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

I agree with un-linking of banned accounts, but I don't think that ANet will go and hunt down previously banned people and ban them again. That's really just stupid. Maybe they were offensive when they were 13, but they're 17 now and they're more mature, let them play. They paid for the game.

Or another idea: Say that Captain Crusader was banned in GW1. Another guy, completely different, goes and has the name Captain Crusader on GW2. He gets banned and doesn't even know why. ANet says he commited an offense in GW1, but GW2 is his first MMO.

Or Account names: a Dude1011 gets banned, but then a newbie Dude1101 gets on, Since ANet banned the first guy, maybe they think that the newbie is actually an alt-account and ban him. What a way to ruin a game.

I don't think that hardware or IP bans are possible either. What if a guy gets banned, but then sells his computer? That would leave the buyer of the computer unable to play GW1 or 2 because the previous owner got banned. IP bans don't work well either, just because Bob gets banned for newbie spamming, doesn't mean that his sister Jane has to get banned as well. Two different accounts and a ban on both. That's just a stupid idea.

I think that this would cause problems. Not just for those who were banned, but other people as well. I think that making previously banned characters unable to play the sequel is just absurd and it sounds like a bad marketing idea.

Kashrlyyk · Jan 18, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

"(h) Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NCsoft may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NCsoft. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NCsoft reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(i) to identify and remove Former Members."

This is the GW EULA, so the service is access to GW, nothing else.

Craywulf · Jan 18, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

It should be cut and dry. Banned as in Pete Rose banned...not temporary leave of absence.

All Guild Wars members should not be sympathetic to anyone who decides to go against with ArenaNet and NCsoft's EULA.

You live and learn.

arsie · Jan 18, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Whatever the policy might be, it is all about enforcement. IP bans are generally iffy. They might stop the casual trangressors who are likely to be the least harmful, but are but a slight inconvenience to the big troublemakers.

Quite frankly, I believe most companies would let the person get a new account and play, and if that person trangresses some rules again, out he goes again. That is the most practical solution for any company to implement.

Anything more, they will need to get the assistance from the law of the land, which I am quite sure many companies will only do at a last resort. For their own sake.

arsie · Jan 18, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Lykan

There has to be a rectroactive account link in GW2 otherwise theres nothing stopping me from starting GW2 and making my character 'Shanaeri Rynale'

I agree. Especially in a game sequal. There should be some means where current GW players can reserve their names in GW2, even if it was just one name.

Perhaps during the advance order stage of GW2, where the player has to enter their GW1 info and choose an exisiting GW1 character name they want to reserve. Potentially the same with Guild names.

I am not too bothered, but I can imagine a few top PvP players who might get a bit miffed if their ign or guild names were nicked.

Red Sonya · Jan 18, 2008, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-
don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to buy and play guild wars 2. hopefully they learned that if they cheat and get caught they loose everything they achieved.

Actually that's not quite so as it was mentioned the botters that were banned and people who also bought gold online that were banned would be perma banned. Meaning their IP, their credit card, address or anything that NCsoft has in their data banks on that customer were banned as well. So, some of those if they want back in the game would have to change their names, local addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers or anything else in that data bank, because if one thing shows up that account would be also banned. I also agree with this. People who reached the perma ban status should remain so and no 2nd, 3rd or 4th chances allowed. When you break the rules to this extent there are no 2nd chances in my book. It's like these last 117 that got banned, they should be perma banned and remain perma banned.

Iuris · Jan 18, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I think it goes like this:

If you do get banned, the account is frozen. If you buy a new box, you can create a new account, and in theory, can also be banned. However, making the link may not be automatic, or may require some additional work by Anet, so an automatic banning system is not in place.

I'd expect Anet not to have an automatic IP linking system for all banned accounts (after all, IP sharing does happen, and legitimate users can be affected) and instead adopts a tacit "second chance" policy: if a new account is created, it won't be insta-banned.

However, there will be a "serious troublemaker" list, and Anet is sure to be regularly checking every new account against those.

As for the question of banned accounts in GW2, I'd say that the act of starting a new account is perhaps tolerated because it's a sign of severance from the offending account, and would not permit any effect in GW2. You claim a link to the banned account, you reestablish the link and get a brick in the teeth for not keeping your mouth shut.

Red Sonya · Jan 18, 2008, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Thing is Iuris you don't know what Anet is doing in monitoring banned accounts so you are just blowing smoke with assumptions. They did make factual statements that banned accounts would be linked to new accounts of those banned accounts and they would be banned as well. Those are factual statements not assumptions.